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White Whale / Roman Numerals / The Only Children -- 09/23/06 at Granada

Let's party like its 1979!

September 16, 2006 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

I've waited a couple of weeks for a coherent defense of why rehashing the music of the 70's and 80's is good for our local music scene. But the only defense has been personal attacks, sophomoric defensiveness, and anti-intellectual put-downs. How sad.

Music is like a river: it must flow. Without flow, water becomes stagnant and lifeless. So too with music and a music scene.

I don't claim to know the "secrets of music". But I do know stagnation when I see it, hear it, and read it. And based on some of the comments posted above, stagnation has taken a strong hold. Good luck with that.

August 8, 2006 at 1:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

jeromefaulkley:

I'm not quite sure what your point is in regards to my Clash/Benny Goodman analogy. The screen of sarcasm masked the meaning. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: innovative musicians are innovative precisely BECAUSE they are forward looking not backward looking. One needs to be aware of the past but not content to simply repeat it.

I'm sorry you feel threatened by my use of quotes from a poet and a jazz musician in previous posts. You're right; poetry and jazz have nothing to do with music!

Don't you just think that a poet (Basho) whose work has not only survived but flourished for over 300 years might have an insight or two about what make art innovative and durable? Don't you think a jazz musician (Miles Davis) who was at the forefront of development of four styles of jazz (cool, hard bop, post-bop, and fusion) might have a clue as to how important innovation is in music?

Just a thought.

July 28, 2006 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

Ahhh...the "love it or leave it" argument. The last refuge for those with nothing to back their opinions. And, a favorite argument of the far-right: "if you don't support the war, you must hate America, so leave."

Surely someone can come up with a better defense of the local status-quo music scene than that!

Actually, I AM off to Chicago for a weekend of some stimulating music.
Enjoy the past while I gone!

July 28, 2006 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

This whole situation reminds me of the story "The Emperor's New Clothes":
http://deoxy.org/emperors.htm

The parallels are interesting.

July 28, 2006 at 10:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

Once again, personal attacks but no support of the music!

Convince me that the Lawrence music scene is, by and large, NOT wallowing in the 70's and 80's! Convince me most of the "popular" bands and bands supported by Lawrence.com DON'T sound like any other indie band! Convince me that we ARE setting trends and not following them! I go to shows, I listen to the mp3s, I listen to the CDs locally and nationally. I know what I hear.

Reverting to accusations of jealousy, tedium, anger, frustration, or intellectualism on my part is sophomoric and simply avoiding the issue I'm setting forth.

I love the potential of the Lawrence music scene. But it has been frustrating to listen to the last few years. What I'm trying to avoid is the reaction of people like greenjp above. That is, someone not from this area listening in and finding our "next big thing" has nothing new to offer. Is that the reaction you want outsiders to have of the Lawrence music scene? Are you satisfied by that?

Do you not agree that a lot of Lawrence music is steeped in the 70's and 80's. Do you really think rehashing the music of past decades is a good thing? Do you really enjoy hearing the same kind of music over and over again? Imagine the Clash obsessing about music from 30 years before: big band swing. Imagine the Clash trying to sound like Benny Goodman or Tommy Dorsey instead of sounding like the Clash!

Over the years, the Lawrence indie music scene has had in inferiority complex. They wanted so badly to be the next Athens, the next Chapel Hill, the next Minneapolis, the next Seattle, etc. But it never could because they never had something truly different to offer. Or if it did, those bands were not supported. Case in point: the couple that became Mates of State decided to leave Lawrence because the music scene was "small" and "unsupportive" (as quoted in an interview in Magnet Magazine). They left, they got supported somewhere else, they became successful. Good for them!

It is not the success of a band that I have a problem with. But, as any observer of popular culture can see, success and creativity do not frequently occur simultaneously. Is it so beyond you that someone could care about the local music scene beyond their own personal ego?

Don't get so comfy in your little Lawrence indie world. Don't get so defensive when someone doesn't agree with you.
"Don't play what's there, play what's not there" - Miles Davis

July 28, 2006 at 10:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

Mmmm. No defense of the MUSIC, just personal attacks. I guess if you can't attack the message you attack the messenger.

By the way jeromefaulkley, it would be hard to quote Basho from a Western Civ book. He's a Japanese poet. That's in the East.

July 25, 2006 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

Wow! You guys really can't handle an opinion can you? Why so defensive? Lord help us if my opinion goes against the prevailing pious indie hipster opinion. BTW, I would have never thought to call someone a "motherscratcher". Amazingly original!

I happen to feel that Lawrence's music scene has been drowning in 70's and 80's nostalgia for some time and is offering very little that is creative, inventive, or original. That is what makes a music scene vital, interesting, and worth listening to. We've been following trends not setting them. If you don't agree, fine. But get over it!

"It would be easy to write the first one-line review ever published on Glorious Noise about this record: "What up, guys, you're a couple years too late to the pirate/war narrative/Bowie wannabe bandwagon."" - Glorious Noise

"...overall just sort of dopey, held back by an ongoing infatuation with one particular mood that's rarely hit dead on. It's essentially guitar rock that's supposed to be a little bit creepy and feel quirky and massive in scope, but I really just kept thinking, "Wow, this is kind of a tasteless mess." " - The L Magazine

July 25, 2006 at 4:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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Review from Pitchfork.com:
"Musically, it's the stuff of 1970s rock radio. Unfortunately, as with music that draws from familiar musical influences, White Whale occasionally lapse into more predictable territory. If it weren't supported by more compelling material, "Nine Good Fingers" would be bar-band fare. And their stabs at lo-fi experimentation, like "I Love Lovely Chinese Gal" and "King's Indian", just don't float..."

I only state the obvious.

"The basis of art is change." - Basho

July 25, 2006 at 3:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Inside the White Whale

Oh my! ANOTHER Lawence, KS release that drowns itself in 1970's nostalgia. A very unfortunate trend. To paraphrase Basho: don't follow in the footsteps of the masters; seek what they sought."

July 25, 2006 at 10:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

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