A note to "fiscal conservatives" who voted for this President

Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief that well-known liberal rag [Reason][1], notes in this [column][2] that our President has become the greatest spendthrift in the history of the United States--which is to say that he's left LBJ in the dirt, which is to say that from now on the great illustration of lethal out-of-control spending will not be LBJ and his War on Poverty, but the Child President and his War on Freedom.There is a comment area below to permit the usual army of Bushie dunces to weigh in on the manifold virtues of this "conservative" President as opposed to the wild, out-of-control fiscal lunatics known as "fukkin' librals." On the other hand, readers interested in the opinion of conservatives who understand the meaning of "fiscal conservativism" are encouraged to check out Bill Hoyt's ruminations on this subject at [Myopia][3]; scroll down to the entry from Monday, "The New Orthodoxy."In Reason, Gillespie writes:_Those figures come by way of the American Enterprise Institute's Veronique de Rugy, who has calculated that George W. Bush has boosted total inflation-adjusted discretionary spending in his first term by 35.1 percent. To put that in context, chew on this: LBJ-the Texas legend who created the Great Society and, for all intents and purposes, the Vietnam War-only boosted discretionary spending 33.4 percent. What's more, the gap between Bush and LBJ will only grow. De Rugy notes that the final outlays for fiscal year 2005 (the last budget signed in Bush's first term) aren't in yet. As a result, she has to use mid-session review numbers, which are invariably smaller than the final amounts. And, she says, the number for FY2005 "does not take under consideration the numerous supplemental passed this year, and the new spending triggered by the Katrina disaster."_The [AEI's numbers][4].So far as I can tell, there's only one thing this moron is good at, and that's turning the Treasury over to his evil cronies. By the end of this administration, the cupboard will be entirely bare, and his army of dunces will angrily screech, "It's Clinton fault!" As we have observed before, and will certainly observe again: Whether or not a sockpuppet knows it's a sockpuppet is a question of interest only to professional philosophers. [1]: http://www.reason.com/ [2]: http://www.reason.com/links/links092105.shtml [3]: http://elborak.blog-city.com/ [4]: http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.20675/pub_detail.asp


copt_a_feel 16 years, 4 months ago


A Bush quote from an October 8, 2004 debate

"Non-homeland, non-defense discretionary spending was raising at 15 percent a year when I got into office. And today it's less than 1 percent, because we're working together to try to bring this deficit under control."

If you can ignore his poor grammar, you can't ignore the FACT that spending defense or non-defense, discretionary or mandatory, needed or unneeded is rising at an extraordinary clip.

Quinn you need to make a trek down to my neck of the woods some time - Golden for happy hour at the Yard House. (Daily 3:00pm - 6:00pm) Over 130 beers on tap @ $2.50 a pop and free wi-fi access!

quinn 16 years, 4 months ago

Terrific idea! I've never been to Golden. But you must let me tidy up my transportation situation; I arose this morning to a #^%@*( flat tire....

And let me return to invitation: Come on up the hill, and I'll show you around the county. The Moose Jaw is one of those bars that must be seen to be believed...

Excellent quote, by the way. The man lies like Nixon.

Todd 16 years, 4 months ago

Yes, W is a fiscal liberal and a moral conservative. That maximizes the votes enough to balance lack of smarts and communication skills. Again, he does whatever it takes to get elected and isn't concerned with the greater good. Excatly the same thing I said about Clinton. It's all due to the fact people vote to get themselves stuff and not for the greater good. Is it any wonder that politicans behave the same way once they get into office? I'd say that shows that our republic is working all too well in sad sort of way.

David Ryan 16 years, 4 months ago

The only difference being, of course, that Clinton's policies actually did do more good for far more people than Bush's policies. Yes, Clinton was a master politician. His goal was not the personal enrichment of his own base but actually the more general good of everyone, especially those not already wealthy and powerful.

Todd 16 years, 4 months ago

I didn't mean to throw out a Clinton-Bush deal. To further clarify my position I think the position of President has become watered down. Intolerance in the voters has turned the presidents into mush. You can't have views on anything or it will turn off voters. Not that it's really any different at any other executive position. (even in corporate America) Intolerance is the status quo.

Aileen Dingus 16 years, 4 months ago

Todd- hear hear. IMO- nobody who SHOULD be President COULD be President nowadays. He or she would have to be strong and humble, and strong, humble people do not get elected.

Todd 16 years, 4 months ago

I know I'll probably get flamed for this but...

I think the last strong president was Nixon. (ducks)

lazz 16 years, 4 months ago

Hunter Thompson on his old enemy Richard Nixon, c. 2004 from ... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6562575?rnd=1099009920793&has-player=true

Richard Nixon looks like a flaming liberal today, compared to a golem like George Bush. Indeed. Where is Richard Nixon now that we finally need him?

If Nixon were running for president today, he would be seen as a "liberal" candidate, and he would probably win. He was a crook and a bungler, but what the hell? Nixon was a barrel of laughs compared to this gang of thugs from the Halliburton petroleum organization who are running the White House today -- and who will be running it this time next year, if we (the once-proud, once-loved and widely respected "American people") don't rise up like wounded warriors and whack those lying petroleum pimps out of the White House on November 2nd.

Nixon hated running for president during football season, but he did it anyway. Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him.

You bet. Richard Nixon would be my Man. He was a crook and a creep and a gin-sot, but on some nights, when he would get hammered and wander around in the streets, he was fun to hang out with. He would wear a silk sweat suit and pull a stocking down over his face so nobody could recognize him. Then we would get in a cab and cruise down to the Watergate Hotel, just for laughs.

lazz 16 years, 4 months ago

Just out of curiosity, Todd, are you suggesting President Bush does not have opinions? I would suggest the exact opposite --- he has STRONG opinions, most of them selfish and self-serving, short-sighted, concealed and later dished out with Patriotic Aphorisms ... I would say Halliburton's "War on Terror" is a direct reflection of his opinions, his lazy response to national tragedy a reflection of his opinion about the worth of his own vacation time, his refusal to hire strong-willed, talented people who disagree with him in any manner to work for him is an expression of his opinion of himself, he certainly carries a strong opinion about the place of his narrow brand of Christianity in the public life of the country ... this Child President is full of opinions. Just not the right ones.

crazy 16 years, 4 months ago

Why do conservatives believe liberals don't like Jesus? Conservatives are the ones that want to fix things with wars? They're the ones that want more, more, more for themselves!! Is that what Jesus would do?

Bad_Brad 16 years, 4 months ago

I completely agree. The problem with Bush is that he's too Liberal.

counterlife 16 years, 4 months ago

lazz, It is nice to hear from a comrade. I have been dismaying my friends since the first Bush II adminstration by explaining that I was nostalgic for Tricky Dick and the Gang. I was astonished myself. Nixon et al., were at number one on my list of intolerable American polticial criminals (of my lifetime). But then, Bush II appeared. Not only is he a lying, murdering, heartless thug, he is also the rich, pretty boy, frat-jerk, drunk who was supposed to go to the golf course when we all grew up and never be heard from again (except when his name appeared in the paper for a DUI arrest). Nixon would have been embarrassed by the terrific incompetence of Bush II and his gang. Nixon certainly abused the power of government but he was also smart enough to protect his source of power. Even Watergate was a political power play, not part of a systematic (or perhaps just ignorant and neglectful) plan to dismantle government institutions. Bush II doesn't seem to care. I guess you can't be ashamed if you are never wrong. Nostalgic for Nixon. Not in my wildest dreams.

P.S. Bush II may have a personality disorder. He doesn't appear capable of empathy for others or of admitting mistakes. And Laura, that poster girl for Xanax, doesn't help him on that point. Oh, but then there's Mother.

Bill Woodard 16 years, 4 months ago

Lazz: After re-reading the Good Doctor's take on things, and knowing full well that he wasn't in the greatest of health necessarily, one still wonders if he might have decided to stick around a bit longer had the election gone differently. Certainly it's not difficult to imagine that any despair he already was experiencing must have been deepened by the fact that we didn't throw out those vicious bums last November.

Snoop 16 years, 4 months ago

"The only difference being, of course, that Clinton's policies actually did do more good for far more people than Bush's policies."

My man Ydog, after all of the liberal blogs I frequent daily you are STILL my favorite liberal. You are guaranteed to make me laugh!

God bless liberals.........OOPS! Sorry people, U don't like that Jesus dude.....just cross your fingers and that God thing won't work.....

counterlife 16 years, 4 months ago

I am sure "Hey Zeus" loves me at least as much as He love you and Ydog and the rest of this nutty place. I hope the "God thing" works for you. You should be at least polite enough to your colleagues on d'blogs as to assume that maybe their Man loves them too.

David Ryan 16 years, 4 months ago

Ah, Snoop. Still hanging on to the Bush wagon?

You presume i "don't like Jesus."

You have no idea of my background, my family's religious background, or anything else.

I wonder why someone would say something like that about someone else, make such a sweeping, universally overgeneralized claim about them, having no idea what the actual truth is?

I hope people don't jump to conclusions like that, say, when they vote for President, or state Attorney General, or their Senators, or their state school board, and base their votes not on any reality, on anything they actually know, but purely on fantasies, their own or the fantasies of others.

That would be really scary.

Or would that just be Kansas?

16 years, 4 months ago

"On the other hand, readers interested in the opinion of conservatives who understand the meaning of "fiscal conservativism" are encouraged to check out..."

Hey, PQ, appreciate the reference...I'm currently in north Idaho at a mining conference and just had lunch with my broker, who took the opportunity to ruminate on the great conservatism of this president.

Of course, spending was not really "on the table". Apparently, conservatism today consists of nationalizing abortion and education and killing "terrorists."

Not a whole lot I can add to what you wrote, other than that the majority of people here, being of a hard-money/libertarian persuasion, have decided that the lesser of two evils argument is no longer one that moves them.

Well, at least not until the next "most important election of our lifetimes" in 3 years. Then we'll see if it really matters. I'm hoping but am not confident, for what that's worth...

cwrist 16 years, 4 months ago

bush isn't really a "moral conservative." He just hangs out with them and kisses their butt for money and votes.

Todd 16 years, 4 months ago

Like I've said before... the position of president is filled by the person who tells the most people what they want to hear. Once in office W has taken to giving the majority of Americans what they want $$-wise from the federal budget too. Any vetos yet?

Anyhow, you really just need to sit down with some 70+ year olds to understand about W and the Iraqi war. Old folks work in black/white and they know everything before you even bring up the topic. Most older folks made up their minds in 1955 and aren't about to change now. (Please don't interpet this as a 100% blanket statement. I'm talking about 9/10 old folks I've interacted with family/not-family over my short years on this planet.)

If you want to end the war put 100k senior citizen in DC as a form of protest. Rotate out people so 100k old folks are there for months. No way the war doesn't end within 90 days.

lazz 16 years, 4 months ago

If Jesus were alive today, would he be a Christian?

thor61 16 years, 4 months ago

Love the blog Quinno! One of these these days I'm going to take command of your's and Shib's couch, the one next to the bong, and then we will really catch up...

Regarding the "Jesus with regards to liberals thing," has anyone noticed how the only two Jesus' conservatives seem to understand, or be interested in, are the "baby" Jesus and the pummeled, bloody, crucified Mel Gibsonized Jesus? These people have no regard for actual life story and teachings of the ADULT Jesus, because that only proves what a true liberal Jesus apparently, allegedly, was...and the way he was vilified and marginalized by the Pharisees and Saducees, who bear more than a passing resemblance to these violent, judgemenatal reptilians who have the spoiled child president's pucker on their fat corporate asses...

Actually I'm fatigued with this boring-again christian dramedy. What I really want to add to the dialogue is an issue that I believe needs A LOT more attention, and that is the REAL fucking 911story--you know the one--where we learn that it was actually planned and executed and covered up by this administration in the first place? This isn't an argument about a magic bullet. From what I gather there must have been about 100 coincidences that took place that fateful morning for the official story to be swallowed, but I don't, not for a minute. Okay, I'm just a naive pot-smoking retired rock musician, but I believe I know a demolition when I see it, and the, ummm, Pentagon story? CMON! None of that ridiculous fiction holds together IMO, and I believe that a mass-hypnosis took place that morning, all those split TV screens of Bin Laden on one side and the burning towers on the other, powerfully manipulating mental imprints. The offical story is total bullshit IMO, and let's all please stop kidding ourselves that they wouldn't do it. They had the means, the motive and they were the ones who prospered because of it. In fact it was absolutely crucial to everything they were there to accomplish in the first place, and it has been the key to how they've held on to that power. This makes the Kennedy assination look like child's play--the relatively simply hit that it was--and this 911 fabrication and high-crime is THE smoking gun that will wake up this beer fart of a nation into taking action and, finally, responsibily to imprison these criminals for the war crimes they have committed, and continue to commit.

How many times are we Charlie Browns going to keep running towards "Lucy" Bush-ladin's football?

Okay. I'm better now.

Though a blog on this would be nice. Love and kisses!! WGS

16 years, 3 months ago

"If Jesus were alive today, would he be a Christian?"

Edie_, close your eyes. Full preach mode is on....

He wasn't even a Christian then, but I do understand the question ;)

The problem, such as it is, with American Christianity is that it is more American than Christian. By that I mean that it is more a product of 19th century American ideology than of what Jesus taught. But the (political) problem is that Jesus wasn't political. He was radically individualistic. He talked to every person as an individual and told them that they are individually responsible before God. He never told Caesar to feed the poor; he told individuals to do that. He never criticized war, he said it was inevitable. He never told the government to ban sodomy or drugs or alcohol or pornography, he called the individual to the highest possible moral standards. But that made it a very hard message.

Modern Christians, especially politically active ones, have merged that with the populism and progressivism of 19th century America and decided that government ought to reform humanity. Just like the communists tried to remake people by changing the environment, modern Christians try to mold the environment to try to mold humanity.

The distinction to understand is that while Jesus called all to (for example) sexual purity, he never once intimated that it was Ceasar's job to enforce that morality. In fact, he never called on Ceasar to do anything. Jesus was less interested in having the government do stuff than he was in calling the individual to stand against a world system he knew to be corrupt. But that's the hard part. It's so easy to try to pass laws to deal with our neighbor's sins and so hard to deal with our own.

I have no doubt that Jesus would be a Christian, if we define that by the historical facts that Christians are called to believe; in fact, those things are the things he himself said. But I also have little doubt that he would not be a member of any political party. In fact, he probably wouldn't even vote. He seemed strangely uninterested in the Ceasars of the world, prefering to spend his time among the poor, the destitute, and the sinful.

"They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

lazz 16 years, 3 months ago

Good discussion there, Bill. But I fear I can't agree with your conclusion: If Jesus were alive today, I don't believe he could allow himself to be a Christian. He'd have to invent something new, as he did in transforming Judaism into whateveritwasHehadinmind to call his new gig 2000 years ago. The furor Jesus felt when seeing the money changers defiling His house of God would be repeated a thousand times over every day in our modern society. Just the other day, during my walk on Sunday morning, I passed a little church, with an inspirational little message on the board out front, something about helping yourself by helping the poor. And parked in the preacher's reserved spot is a brand new BMW sedan. An hour later, passed another church, this one just a little bit bigger and a little bit more prominent, with an equally humble message on its signage, and this time parked in the pastor's spot was a big long Cadillac. What was it Jesus said about a camel passing through the eye of a needle with more ease than a rich man getting into heaven? I really don't intend to be preachy, if it's coming off like that I'm sorry, but it seems very clear to me that the principles Jesus of Nazareth lived and died by are being more or less completely ignored, as often as not as by those who profess to be his servant.

16 years, 3 months ago

"I really don't intend to be preachy, if it's coming off like that I'm sorry, but it seems very clear to me that the principles Jesus of Nazareth lived and died by are being more or less completely ignored, as often as not as by those who profess to be his servant."

Preach away! I have no argument with it. However, I attend a small church (<20 people) that doesn't have that issue. My pastor is a guy from Kenya who is a student at Ozark Bible (but he's my age and has kids my kids' ages). He doesn't drive a caddy and doesn't own a nice suit.

But I guess my point is this: Christianity is not what Christians do, it's who Jesus is. I don't expect that would change were he around today. In fact, I suspect he would be an itinerant preacher, completely ignoring denominations and established places of worship, and simply teaching and living the way he did then. He'd make cultural accomodation a bit (something else besides washing Peter's feet) and I suspect that he would probably be killed (or at least driven out.) Humanity hasn't changed, either.

I know, that definition of Christianity is a hard sell, because we are all used to judging the "ity" by the "ian." There are good Christians and bad, and fakes and phonys and wolves among the sheep, just like Jesus said there would be. But I don't think that changes what Christianity is.

It just makes it a lot harder for people to hear his message.

sjwilson 16 years, 3 months ago

shocking, really. an ignorant, pampered son of the ruling elite lacks fiscal discipline. pub or crat, it helps if the chief exec.has ever had to squeeze the buffalo off the nickel. the only substitute for bitter experience might be intellectual rigor. oops. all this helps explain why his whole administration if full of arrogant fucks like michael brown. they've all been selected for their margarita recipes and their tennis swings.

and all this talk about christians. here's the deal - there are outrageous fools in every democracy. in most of them they don't come to power. 'merica is unique, i think, in that respect. a religious nut in britain or sweden(e.g.)would be treated like the fantasy-dizzy child he is...rubbed on the head, told to go sit down. not here. we elect the cull president.

christ was cool. the jewish radical. his earliest followers basically reinforced his belief that no church was necessary to experience god(ref. gnostics, coptics, valentinians). the paulist church was really the first corporation and it came to and consolidated power by eradicating its' competition. rather violently, too. jesus wouldn't have waited til now to be disgusted with his mouthpieces; he would've washed his hands of the whold sick mess by, say, 387 a.d.

john lennon was right. christianity will go. the sun is always brightest before it sets. i think the apparent triumph of the evangelicals and their anti-intellectual, intolerant, pleasure abhorring agenda will eventually be scorned by the american people. call it a hunch. a prayer. without it things do seem bleak indeed.

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